Legislature(1999 - 2000)

02/08/2000 02:10 PM Senate MER

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         JOINT SPECIAL COMMITTEE ON MERGERS                                                                                     
                  February 8, 2000                                                                                              
                     2:10 P.M.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Senator Rick Halford, Chairman                                                                                                  
Representative Joe Green, Vice-Chairman                                                                                         
Senator Drue Pearce                                                                                                             
Senator Johnny Ellis                                                                                                            
Representative Beth Kerttula                                                                                                    
Representative Brian Porter                                                                                                     
Representative Jim Whitaker                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
All members present                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
COMMITTEE CALENDAR                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Discussion of BP Amoco ARCO merger                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
PREVIOUS ACTION                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
See the Joint Special Committee on Mergers minutes dated 6/11/99,                                                               
7/28/99, 9/24/99, 9/25/99, 11/18/99, 11/19/99, 1/12/00, 1/18/00,                                                                
1/19/00, and 1/25/00.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
ACTION NARRATIVE                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
TAPE 00-10, SIDE A                                                                                                              
Number 001                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN HALFORD called the Joint Special Committee on Mergers                                                                  
meeting to order at 2:10 p.m. and said since the Committee's last                                                               
meeting, the Federal Trade Commission (FTC) had filed an                                                                        
injunction.  He recapped also that they had the committee report                                                                
and the staff report that was before them, but didn't reach a                                                                   
conclusion.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR ELLIS moved that the Joint Special Committee on Mergers                                                                 
oppose the merger of British Petroleum Amoco with ARCO as embodied                                                              
in the amended Charter for the reasons stated by our consultants as                                                             
not in the best interests of Alaskans.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN HALFORD said that he personally didn't think they needed                                                               
to go that far in their recommendation.  The staff report lays out                                                              
reasons and considerations with regard to both the Charter and                                                                  
original merger.  He didn't necessarily disagree with the                                                                       
conclusions, but he thought there would be enough differences                                                                   
before them in the negotiating process that they would want to be                                                               
a little more open to something that could truly represent a                                                                    
resurrection of ARCO.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
SPEAKER PORTER agreed with his approach and at a minimum wanted to                                                              
"underscore the fact that my intent of that motion would be the                                                                 
merger as defined originally being non-competitive and not being                                                                
suitably assisted by the charter agreement.  What might                                                                         
subsequently come through negotiations is yet to be determined, and                                                             
I want to, colloquially speaking, keep my powder dry on that one,                                                               
because it might be something that would be in the best interests                                                               
of the State."                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR ELLIS said that was the "moving target" argument and he                                                                 
doesn't agree.  If that argument prevails, we'll never take a                                                                   
definitive position in time for it to have any effect, whatsoever.                                                              
A definitive action by this body is about two weeks late.  He                                                                   
thought the Committee might consider going further by encouraging                                                               
the Legislature to intervene in some manner so they are a party to                                                              
further discussions and maybe a negotiated settlement in the future                                                             
that would amend the current version of the Charter where they                                                                  
could find some common ground.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE KERTTULA agreed with Senator Ellis saying she                                                                    
thought they should be forthright.  She also thought the "target"                                                               
had stopped with the FTC's filing of an intervention request.  It's                                                             
clear that one of the arguments is whether the Charter, itself, is                                                              
going to meet the antitrust requirements.  Our consultants'                                                                     
recommendations focused heavily on that point.  She thought                                                                     
adopting their report was timely and speaks well to what is going                                                               
on.  She thought they would do well by embodying both feelings and                                                              
suggested: "oppose the merger as explained in the final report to                                                               
the Joint Special Committee on Mergers by our consultants, and add                                                              
the date."  That explains carefully what the consultants and                                                                    
lawyers found and clearly opposes the merger at this point and                                                                  
would be easily understood.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
If something subsequent happens, she hoped the Committee would keep                                                             
working.  She thought there would be other issues.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN HALFORD said he would have less concern with those words,                                                              
because they are said at this point in time.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR ELLIS responded that he would like to amend the motion to                                                               
state, "We oppose the merger as explained in the final report to                                                                
the Joint Special Committee on Mergers by our consultants, dated                                                                
January 24, 2000, as our formal Committee report on the proposed BP                                                             
Amoco/ARCO merger."  He, then, asked the committee secretary if she                                                             
got all the words and then he repeated his motion as follows: "The                                                              
Joint Special Committee on Mergers opposes the merger of BP Amoco                                                               
with ARCO as embodied in the amended Charter for the reasons stated                                                             
by the Committee's consultants as not in the best interests of                                                                  
Alaskans."  He said he was open to further discussion.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Number 536                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GREEN agreed that the "moving target" concept is                                                                 
weak, but the Administration has already made their position clear.                                                             
They could make a decision among ourselves, but that wouldn't mean                                                              
the Legislature was in concurrence.  He thought there would be                                                                  
divisions of purpose in both the minority and majority.  He was                                                                 
concerned they would say they are against something, unless they                                                                
specified what was clearly the Charter, not necessarily the merger.                                                             
That could conjure a lot of false feelings in some people's minds.                                                              
They definitely want what's best for the State.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN HALFORD noted that the committee report dealt with both                                                                
the Charter and the merger.  He reminded them that the committee                                                                
report they have before them is a distillation of a very complete                                                               
report including a lot of confidential information.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
SPEAKER PORTER suggested instead of saying "the merger" saying "the                                                             
merger configuration" as embodied in the amended Charter.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN HALFORD called an at ease from 2:20 p.m. - 2:24 p.m.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN HALFORD said he thought the staff report was much more                                                                 
important than any political statement that might sound better.  He                                                             
intended to have something that was one sentence long that they                                                                 
could get some consensus on.  Every element is going to sound good,                                                             
but the critical point is what is the committee report.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR PEARCE asked if the committee report sticks to the original                                                             
merger or to both (the Charter).                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN HALFORD answered that it sticks to both.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR PEARCE said she thought that should be made clear.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE KERTTULA agreed with Chairman Halford on the                                                                     
underlying reason.  It's more important to be embodying what is                                                                 
said in the report, but the report does refer to both.  They could                                                              
say they oppose the original merger and the merger configuration as                                                             
embodied in the amended Charter for the reasons enumerated in the                                                               
consultants' report, and give the date to cover both ends.  She                                                                 
thought that wording would make it clearer for the public.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR ELLIS moved the latest version of his motion as follows:                                                                
"I move that the Joint Special Committee on Mergers oppose the                                                                  
original merger and the merger configuration of BP Amoco and ARCO                                                               
as embodied in the current version of the amended Charter, dated                                                                
December 2, 1999, for the reasons enumerated in the consultants'                                                                
report, dated January 24, 2000, as not in the best interests of                                                                 
Alaska."                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
There were no objections to the motion and it carried.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN HALFORD noted they had a copy of the State's motion to                                                                 
intervene, the Summary of Actions with Regard to Other States:                                                                  
California, Oregon, and Washington.  He asked if there was anything                                                             
else anyone wanted to go through.  He hoped to continue the                                                                     
dialogue.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR PEARCE noted the lack of a fiscal note.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN HALFORD responded the fiscal note they requested in July                                                               
or August and that was also requested in December, he assumes the                                                               
Administration will tell them that the paper they presented at the                                                              
last meeting was that.  However, he said that was indeterminate.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR ELLIS said the Governor stated that one of the reasons he                                                               
intervened was to have participation in a negotiated settlement                                                                 
that might come between the FTC and the companies.  He asked how                                                                
the Legislature might have a role in the settlement to strengthen                                                               
the entire state hand.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN HALFORD said he didn't know the answer to that off the top                                                             
of his head.  There was interaction at the staff and Commission                                                                 
level on things they are interested in that come out of the                                                                     
Committee's confidential report.  He didn't know that they had any                                                              
standing independent from the Administration to take any legal                                                                  
action.  He thought the Legislature could consider resolutions back                                                             
and forth, but he didn't know what the outcome of that would be.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
He stated that they don't have a formal standing in any way, but                                                                
because of the confidential information they are privy to, they                                                                 
will be asked questions and may be asked to participate in some                                                                 
way.  "Every time the Legislature tries to take legal action                                                                    
outside of the Administration, we lose.  We lose on standing cases                                                              
before they ever get started."                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR ELLIS agreed, but he wanted to explore the possibilities                                                                
with their legal counsel to see if they had any suggestions for                                                                 
even an informal role in what he thought would be a negotiated                                                                  
settlement.  He wanted to make sure all the bases are covered.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Number 816                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE KERTTULA agreed, although she thought they didn't                                                                
have any formal standing rights.  There might be an avenue for an                                                               
amicus or at least something informal.  It would be helpful to know                                                             
what they think.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN HALFORD said with the concurrence of the presiding                                                                     
officers and the ability to pay the bill, he hoped they would keep                                                              
at least some level of activity of our attorneys so they can inform                                                             
us of what happens.  As he reads the newspapers, it changes almost                                                              
every day.  The last thing he heard is that the process for a                                                                   
temporary injunction has been set aside so they can go to the                                                                   
permanent injunction.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR PEARCE asked that the D.C. attorneys and Mr. Boness be                                                                  
asked to prepare in layman's terms something that could be                                                                      
distributed to all the members of the Legislature, not just to                                                                  
those who have signed the confidentiality agreement.  She wanted to                                                             
know where they and the FTC are and what the schedule looks like.                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Number 1328                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR PEARCE, in reference to Senator Ellis' comment about them                                                               
intervening into the negotiation to a settlement with the court,                                                                
said she hadn't heard of anything like that.  She didn't think the                                                              
FTC had done anything like that before, either.  They don't listen                                                              
to very many people.  She wanted them to discuss that.  If the                                                                  
State intervenes, does that give them some position before either                                                               
the court or the administrative hearing officer.  She didn't quite                                                              
know the question to ask.  She didn't know how intervening gave                                                                 
them any standing.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN HALFORD said his question was, you can file an amicus at                                                               
one level, but you can actually be an intervener beyond that.  He                                                               
thought the Administration had chosen to be an intervener in an                                                                 
effort to be a party to the case versus a friend of the court.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR PEARCE thought they should schedule a time for the Attorney                                                             
General to come before them and explain their intention and                                                                     
filings.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN HALFORD said she could request a fiscal note, again.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR PEARCE agreed and added if nothing else, the legal costs                                                                
are getting high.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN HALFORD said they could probably get a status report from                                                              
their attorneys and request a presentation by the Administration                                                                
within the time schedule.  It looked like March 13 was the first                                                                
date of anything happening now.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GREEN asked if he intended to have it before the FTC                                                             
hearing.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN HALFORD said it would definitely be before the 13th of                                                                 
March.  He adjourned the meeting at 2:35 p.m.                                                                                   

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